a family tree
Anyone who know's me well enuff knows that this gyal (nerd at heart) can't get enuff of webs and diagrams. This particular one that I've blog pinched off Blackdown (bless-up guy!) has got me all excited. Penned by ex-Ammunition founder Neil Joliffe, it explains the history of Garage and how it evolved into Grime, Dubstep and Broken Beat.
It's particularly poignant for me at the moment. I've spent a large portion of this week email battling the Grime loving photo editor of a very well known magazine who insists that Dubstep is 'a pointless sub-culture.' Regardless of our opposing opinions, the man in question is a damn good photographer so respect to him for his images. I just wish he'd get off his high horse and realise that Grime and Dubstep although different are undoubtedly share the same musical ancestory and are equally significant.
It's particularly poignant for me at the moment. I've spent a large portion of this week email battling the Grime loving photo editor of a very well known magazine who insists that Dubstep is 'a pointless sub-culture.' Regardless of our opposing opinions, the man in question is a damn good photographer so respect to him for his images. I just wish he'd get off his high horse and realise that Grime and Dubstep although different are undoubtedly share the same musical ancestory and are equally significant.
Labels: art, maps, music, music- dubstep
posted by ∞ infinite ∞ at
11:05 PM
5 Comments:
we're kinda fighting it from the other side at the moment - against aggravating dubstep newbies who think garage, and therefore grime, are from a different family tree to dubstep altogether.
wasn't there big ishoos about 'separationists' about a year ago, now i think of it? why are we having to have the same argument again now?
im still refusing to admit they (grime and dubstep) not part of one and the same greater whole
pointless sub culture? lol I would have liked him to see the floor shake at Leeds DMZ and see him repeat that!
I love Grime but I wouldnt want to go to a club full of ego MC's and grime youts ya get me?!
Dubstep is serious music, also unlike Grime it keeps it Rasta - the music got roots and love, grime is so hating, great tho it is its nearly all negative.
Um, yeah, i was wondering when someone would mention gas prices.
Anyway, it's all garage isn't it, but a lot of recent dnb converts don't know or don't want to know about that. at the same time, I think the grime evangelists are having a hard time dealing with grime stumbling while dubstep has exploded. But wouldn't it be nice if the artists/djs did a bit more to bridge things? More vocals would be great (male and female). More mixed sets. Maybe fewer dubstep tracks that take more cues from dnb than garage. The roots of dubstep comp has come out at just the right time to give new dubsteppers a bit of context. A mix CD illustrating the common roots of grime and dubstep would be a great next step. Hell, you could base it on Neil's diagram and use it as the cover/sleeve notes.
I've been listening mainly to my old pirate sets lately - the p2p stuff that got me into grime and dubstep in the first place. I've got Agent X here - Feb. 2002 - and in the space of half an hour or so they drop some very rnb Wookie, 'Sound of the Future,' DJ Wire and PAUG. Slimzee's sets that I picked up at the same time were similar - the division wasn't really there.
Paul - brap, spot on.
I think actually that Slimzee is the key. Whenever i listen to his old mixes its the best elements of both styles that dominate. We need someone to come through and do that today... some people do it, like Tubby (though he's definetly moving away from grime more and more every time i see him play out), Wonder, Plasticman. But its all the darker stuff that gets played rather than big serious grime riddims by Davinche or J Sweet.
Someone has to bring the crossover to FWD, and soon
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